{"id":2129,"date":"2018-04-27T06:49:09","date_gmt":"2018-04-27T04:49:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/delaydude.de\/?p=2129"},"modified":"2018-10-22T09:07:26","modified_gmt":"2018-10-22T07:07:26","slug":"analog-delay-white-noise","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/delaydude.de\/en\/analog-delay-white-noise\/","title":{"rendered":"Are there analog delays without white noise?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/delaydude.de\/?p=2129&amp;preview=true\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1234\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/delaydude.de\/en\/ask-the-dude\/ask-the-dude\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?fit=1024%2C577&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1024,577\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Ask the Dude\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?fit=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?fit=840%2C473&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-1234\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=300%2C169&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Ask the Dude\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=400%2C225&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=768%2C433&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=148%2C83&amp;ssl=1 148w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=31%2C17&amp;ssl=1 31w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=38%2C21&amp;ssl=1 38w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/delaydude.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Ask-the-Dude.jpg?resize=382%2C215&amp;ssl=1 382w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 85vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Besides spectacular delays every analog delay produces white noise.<br \/>\nGenerally, one can say that the proportion of white noise increases in dependency of the delay time.<br \/>\nTo some this unintended noise represent an important part of an analog character, others prefer digital delays to produce a signal that is more clear.<!--more--><\/p>\n<h3>The reasons for white noise<\/h3>\n<p>A special part of analog delays, the compander produces white noise.<br \/>\nFirst the compander compresses the guitar signal so the delay chip is able to handle the signal more easily. Afterwards it brings up the volume of the signal again.<br \/>\nAlthough this influences the sound in a certain way, the compander is important to avoid distortion and (although the compander itself produces little white noise) to reduce white noise in general.<br \/>\nSome analog delays use an integrated lowpass filter instead of a compander to minimize the respective frequencies.<br \/>\nThese delays sound grittier and darker.<br \/>\nA prominent example for this kind of sound is the old <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jimdunlop.com\/category\/products\/electronics\/mxr.do\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">MXR<\/a> analog delay of the 1970s.<br \/>\nThis pedal uses a variable filter that muffles the signal of long delay times and emphasizes the treble of short delay times.<\/p>\n<p>The compander of analog delays has much influence on the sound and the style of the repeats.<br \/>\nDepending on the setting of the compander the repeats will sound percussive or washy.<br \/>\nThe intensity of this influence varies according to the respective pedal because the trimpot is adjusted manually.<br \/>\nIf you will get the chance, it is worth it to compare different pedals of the same manufacturer and choose the one with the sound you like best.<\/p>\n<h3>Its all about the chip<\/h3>\n<p>Regarding analog delays, there is a certain reason why many prefer the MN3005 chip (in contradistinction to the MN3008).<br \/>\nThe MN3005 is able to create delays up to 300ms, while the MN3008 only provides 150ms.<br \/>\nThe more bucket brigade devices (bbd) are used, the more complicated and expensive it gets to calibrate them.<br \/>\nThis can also create white noise.<\/p>\n<h3>Clock noise\/ high pitched whine<\/h3>\n<p>In addition comes the so-callled \u201cclock noise\u201d.<br \/>\nThe IC acts as a metronome to the bbd. That means, the speed of the delay is controlled by this ticking pulse which can be adjusted with the delay time pot.<br \/>\nEspecially when you use long delay times or your delay is badly calibrated this ticking pulse can reach the audible range and has to be removed by a filter.<br \/>\nBut this ticking pulse also can be perceived as a part of the delay signal and thereby constitute the very special character of the pedal.<br \/>\nThe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jimdunlop.com\/product\/whe701-7-10137-04616-0.do\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Way Huge Aqua Puss<\/a> is a pretty good example for that.<\/p>\n<h3>Analog delays without white noise ?<\/h3>\n<p>I guess, there will be no analog delay without white noise.<br \/>\nThere will always be more white noise in the sound of a trebly delay like the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ehx.com\/products\/deluxe-memory-man\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Deluxe Memory Man<\/a> than in the sound of a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.moogmusic.com\/products\/moogerfoogers\/mf-104m-analog-delay\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Moog<\/a> delay.<br \/>\nThose who don\u2019t want white noise at all, should use a digital delay for long delay times. But for short delay times the white noise of an analog delay has its limits and the sound is invincible.<br \/>\nAnd there are also some digital emulations of analog delays that allow to adjust the proportion of white noise.<br \/>\nIt seems, in the end white noise is pretty musical and is an important part of the analog delay sound.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sorry, this entry is only available in Deutsch.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[256,269,1683,687,680,691,268,853],"tags":[392,862,860,865,64,352,866,861,864,419,364,390,155,867,859,863],"class_list":["post-2129","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-7000-questions-to-the-dude","category-analog-delays","category-delays","category-electro-harmonix","category-moog","category-mxr","category-pedals","category-way-huge","tag-analog","tag-bucket-brigade-devices","tag-clock-noise","tag-compander","tag-delay","tag-deluxe-memory-man","tag-gritty-sound","tag-high-pitched-whine","tag-lowpass-filter","tag-mn3005","tag-mn3008","tag-moog","tag-mxr","tag-rauschen","tag-way-huge-aqua-puss","tag-white-noise"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p9GLlF-yl","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":3225,"url":"https:\/\/delaydude.de\/en\/dark-delays\/","url_meta":{"origin":2129,"position":0},"title":"Dark Delays","author":"Delay Dude","date":"Monday December  3rd, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"The dark sound is a very famous aspect of analog delays. 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